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The Donut Dollies Documentary will screen in Western Massachusetts to a hometown audience
Published September 13, 2018 by Jim

The Donut Dollies Documentary will screen in Western Massachusetts to a hometown audience

Dear Friends,

We have exciting news… the Donut Dollies Documentary has been invited to screen at the Ashfield Film Festival (www.ashfieldfilmfest.org) this Friday, September 14th at 7PM!   This is particularly special for the crew because the festival takes place in Western Massachusetts, where most of us grew up, and where Donut Dollie Dorset lives.  We’re happy to be sharing our film with a hometown crowd of family, friends and supporters.  If you are in the area we hope you’ll join us.

We’ve started applying to film festivals around the country and look forward to being accepted into a film festival near you.  All things Donut Dollies Documentary will be ramping up in the coming months, so please make sure you like/follow our Facebook page to be alerted to when the next screening will take place and go to donutdollies.com to join our mailing list for more updates.  Also, we ask that you share our Facebook page and donutdollies.com info with family, friends and veterans.

We look forward to having DVD’s and digital downloads available before the holidays. What would be a better stocking stuffer than The Donut Dollies Documentary? :)

Thank you again. We wouldn’t have gotten this far without your support.

Sincerely,
Norm & the Donut Dollies Crew

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Thank you to the 35 Donut Dollies who shared their stories of service in Korea and Vietnam
Published December 19, 2017 by Jim

Thank you to the 35 Donut Dollies who shared their stories of service in Korea and Vietnam

As 2017 draws to a close, we would like to thank the 35 Red Cross Donut Dollies who shared their stories of their service in Korea and Vietnam through our Donut Dollie Detail feature.  For many, this was the first time that they shared the experiences that shaped the rest of their lives, and for a few, they shared deeply personal events that even those closest to them didn’t know.

Our deepest thanks go out to the 35 women listed below for their service and willingness to share their experiences (read their stories at the link above).  We look forward to posting more editions of the Donut Dollie Detail in 2018.  If you are a Donut Dollie who would like to share your story through this feature, please contact us at memories@donutdollies.com

Here are the women, whose stories we had the honor to share…

Dorset Hoogland Anderson – Served in Vietnam from 1968-69 at Nha Trang, Cu Chi and Tuy Hoa

Penni Evans – Served in Vietnam from 1970-71 at Cam Rahn Air Base, Long Binh, Cu Chi and Quang Tri

Mary Blanchard Bowe – Served in Vietnam from 1968-69 at Dong Ba Thien, Pleiku, Tuy Hoa and Qui Nhon

Linnie Stone – Served in Vietnam from 1966-67 at Pleiku, Long Binh and Lai Khe

Susan Heinzelman Ladnier – Served in Korea and Vietnam from 1967-68 at Camp Humphries (Korea), Danang, Qui Nhon, Lai Khe and Pleiku.

Cecelia Burgess Grandison – Served in Vietnam in 1968 at Phu Loi

Mary de la Forest-Evans – Served in Vietnam from 1968-69 at Cam Ranh Bay

Diane Schmidt Curley – Served in Vietnam from 1968-69 at Chu Lai and Pleiku

Ellen Cadden Nagy – Served in Vietnam from 1970-71 at Bien Hoa, Da Nang and Long Binh

Bobbie Lischak Trotter – Served in Vietnam from 1970-71 at Qui Nhon, Bien Hoa and DaNang

Maggie Connor Dutilly – Served in Vietnam from 1971-72 at Danang, Quang Tri, Bien Hoa and Cam Ranh Army

Sharon (Vander Ven) Cummings – Served in Vietnam from 1966-67 at Cam Ranh Army, Long Binh and Cu Chi

Lou Breen Rundle – Served in Vietnam from 1971-72 at Qui Nhon and Cam Ranh Air Base

Susan Baiamonte Conklin – Served in Vietnam from 1968 at Cam Ranh Bay, Lai Khe and Da Nang

Marilyn Schmokel Dent – Served in Vietnam from 1968 at Xuan Loc, An Khe and Dong Tam

Terre Deegan-Young – Served in Vietnam from 1970-71 at Chu Lai, Bien Hoa and Camp Eagle

Linda Meinders Webb – Served in Vietnam from 1969-70 at Danang, Cam Ranh Air, Cam Ranh Army, and Pleiku

Marrilee Shannon – Served in Vietnam from 1969-70 at Cu Chi, Cam Rahn AFB and Phan Rang AFB

Agnes Fortune – Served in Vietnam from 1968-69 at Blackhorse in Long Kahn Province, Cu Chi and Long Binh

Eileen O’Neill – Served in Vietnam from 1971-72 at Danang, Phan Rang Air Base, Bien Hoa and Binh Thuy

Barbara McDaniel Stephens – Served in Vietnam from 1969-70 at Bien Hoa, Danang and Cam Ranh Army

Nancy Olsen Hewitt – Served in Vietnam from 1970-71 at Phan Rang Air Force Base, Bien Hoa Army, Cam Ranh Army and Cam Ranh Air Base

René Johnson – Served in Vietnam from 1969-70 at Chu Lai and Cu Chi

Diane Johnson Tucker – Served in Vietnam from 1970-71 at Qui Nhon, Camp Eagle and at Cam Ranh Bay

Jeanne “Sam” Bokina Christie – Served in Vietnam from 1967-68 at Nha Trang, Danang and Phan Rang

Judy Harper – Served in Vietnam from 1970-71 at Qui Nhon, Cu Chi, Danang and Binh Thuy

Karel Dierks Robertson – Served in Vietnam from 1971-72 at Camp Eagle, Cam Ranh Air Base and Bien Hoa

Teri Fisk Hermans – Served in Vietnam from 1969-70 at Camp Eagle, Cam Ranh Air Base and Cu Chi

Linda Sullivan Schulte – Served in Vietnam from 1969-70 at Lai Khe, Dong Ba Thin, Tuy Hoa and Phu Bai

Roseann Krikston Johnson – Served in Vietnam from 1969-70 at Danang and Bien Hoa

Sara Porter Smith – Served in Vietnam from 1970-71 at Tuy Hoa, Danang and Phan Rang

Sherry Giles Cozzalio Taylor – Served in Vietnam from 1968-69 at Long Binh, Phan Rang, Bien Hoa and Dong Tam

Terry Lee Harmon – Served in Vietnam from 1970-71 at Cam Ranh Air Base and Danang

Rose Karlo Gantner – Served in Vietnam from 1966-67 at Nha Trang, & 1969-70 at Saigon

Sheila Otto Rosenberg – Served in Vietnam from 1966-67 at Long Bin, Phan Rang and Cu Chi

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Meet Red Cross Donut Dollie Sheila Otto Rosenberg
Published December 1, 2017 by Jim

Meet Red Cross Donut Dollie Sheila Otto Rosenberg

In our thirty fifth edition of the Donut Dollie Detail, Sheila tells how after serving in South Korea, the Red Cross asked her to go to Vietnam to set up new units, that the Donut Dollies were so well taken care of by the troops, and how her experiences changed her life forever.

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Please meet Red Cross Donut Dollie Sheila Otto Rosenberg…

What prompted you to join the SRAO (Supplemental Recreation Activities Overseas) program and want to go to Vietnam?

The year before I served in Vietnam, I had been recruited out of college for the SRAO program in South Korea.  Upon returning home from that tour I signed up to work in American Red Cross (ARC) Hospital Services and was sent to Ft. Sam Houston, Brook Army Medical Center, San Antonio, Texas.  I had been there about 6 months when the DC office called and offered me the task of going to Vietnam to set up SRAO units there.  The program was getting setup in Vietnam and few units were already were open.  It was 1966 and LBJ initiated the big troop buildup, sending 100,000 men that year alone!

When and where were you stationed in Vietnam?  Did you go by a nickname?

I was sent TDY (temporary duty) to Long Bin for a couple of weeks until I could go to Phan Rang to set up the unit there.  I was at Phan Rang for about 6 months and then sent to Cu Chi to set up that unit until I returned home.  I was known as Sheila in Vietnam.

What was a routine day like in Vietnam?

We spent most every day in Hueys traveling out to forward areas to do our programming for troops who were on stand down for few days.  One day a week at Cu Chi we were assigned to go to 121 Evac Hospital to visit with the troops there.  Friday was for our staff meeting and for working on upcoming clubmobile programs that we would take out to the troops.  At Phan Rang we opened a recreation center where troops could come any time during the day for cards, games, coffee, etc. – like a canteen.

Did you ever have any “close calls” either on base or in any vehicles?

No, I was very lucky.  And when I think back about it, it was a very dangerous time there because so many areas were not secured, because it was at the beginning of the conflict and we never knew where the enemy was.  There were mostly expeditionary forces when I got there.  When I was TDY at Long Bin for that two weeks, we were mortared every night!  My introduction to Vietnam.  It was in the distance from our hooch and headquarters, but I can still remember the noise and the sky lighting up, especially when you had to go to the outdoor privy and you really don’t want to just then.  Same thing at Cu Chi sometimes.  We didn’t know it at the time, but that was such a strange place.  We had mamasans who were carrying grenades, etc. coming in.  They got rid of them of course.  It was tumultuous there the whole time and the reason being is we found out later we were living over the infamous underground tunnel system that the VC had built.  There were a few times when we were at Tuy Hoa for the day (it was just a staging area or forward area base at that time and we had to be out of there before dusk) and our pick up transportation did not arrive.  The CO was really nervous, but they always got us out.

Were you ever injured while in Vietnam?

No, I was not.  We were always so protected and well taken care of by the military.  I have never been treated better by men in my life than there! Love them for that alone!!

What was it like to visit the soldiers in the hospitals?

Of course it was tough.  We saw just about everything you can see.  But we generally saw them after they were patched up and healing.  I really saw much worse when I worked at BAMC (Ft. Sam Houston) before going to Vietnam.  There I worked the burn and trauma ward.  These were the worst of the worst who were medevaced home as soon as possible from Vietnam.  They were napalm burned.  Nothing worse than fire on the human body.  I still have images of a few of the men.  I wished for them to die.  It had to be better.

How was the transition returning home to the United States?

I hibernated at my parents home for about 6 months.  I was happy to sit there and do nothing.  I saw a few friends who came to visit me there.  Then I went looking for a new job, as I had gotten out of ARC after Vietnam!  I was fine.  I went on to grad school and marriage, children, and the usual lives we lead.

What would you like people to remember and understand most about the women who served?

We were not your average American girl, but girls who were part of a new generation of women who wanted adventure, more freedom, recognition, and authority!  Those experiences changed me forever.  I am a much better woman, mother and citizen because of them.

How do you feel Veterans think of your time having served with them?  Have any Veterans expressed their feelings to you directly?

When I first came home, none of us who had been there admitted to being there because America was not friendly to returning vets.  Awful for them!  But we would have been submitted to the disdain as well, but no one expected women to have served there – especially in our capacity.  So I didn’t share it with many people.  But through the years as all that changed, the vets loved us and are so grateful for us being there.  They know we we were volunteers – like some of them were, but most were drafted.  I love them dearly and we have a special bond.

What are your fondest or most interesting memories of your time serving in Vietnam?

The men and what they went through and what they sacrificed for a civil war that we had no business being a part of!!  That’s all I can think of, really.  I am forever a Pacifist.  War is not ever the answer!!

 

 

 

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Meet Red Cross Donut Dollie Rose Karlo Gantner
Published November 17, 2017 by Jim

Meet Red Cross Donut Dollie Rose Karlo Gantner

In our thirty fourth edition of the Donut Dollie Detail, Rose tells how both President Kennedy and her maternal uncle influenced her decision to go to Vietnam, how she was one of just a few women who served in the Vietnam SRAO program twice, and how the experience was life changing.

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Please meet Red Cross Donut Dollie Rose Karlo Gantner…

What prompted you to join the SRAO (Supplemental Recreation Activities Overseas) program and want to go to Vietnam?

In my era, while in college, President John Kennedy really moved me with his famous quote: “My fellow Americans ask not what you country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country.”  After being a teacher for a short time, I decided it was my duty and honor to give back more and knew in my heart and soul it was going to be Vietnam or the Peace Corps.

A special influence in my life was my wonderful and brave maternal uncle, M/Sgt. George Mamula, who served in WWII and the Korean war. He had distinguished himself quite early as a soldier, and was assigned to Merrill’s Marauders in WWII. During WWII, he was awarded the Distinguished Service Cross, second only to the Congressional Medal of Honor, for his bravery and outstanding leadership in Kumhwa, Korea, on September 9, 1951.  He was committed to his country, his Army and all his troops. I and others in my family, especially express much gratitude to him and others who gave so much to protect our freedom and liberty.  I will forever cherish the marvelous stories he told me as he made history come alive.

When and where were you stationed in Vietnam? Did you go by a nickname?

I believe I was one of only four American women to serve in the SRAO twice.  During my first tour of duty from June 1966 – June 1967, I was first assigned to Nha Trang before being promoted by my wonderful supervisor, Liz Miller Magnum and transferred as a unit director to Pleiku.  Along with others, we mainly served the U.S. Army troops, but also had an Australian troop in the HIghlands where we gave support and morale.  My second tour, in January 1969 – January 1970, I was asked by the headquarters of the American Red Cross, SRAO program and Quinn Smith, who was like our executive president, to return to Vietnam as the Senior Program Director to the 100 or so women who were stationed throughout Vietnam at the time.  I was stationed in Saigon, but only lived in the area one day a week as I traveled constantly to our 13 units deployed throughout Vietnam to offer leadership, guidance, support, and work with military leaders regarding logistics and safety concerns.  I was known as Rose during my time in Vietnam.

What was a routine day like in Vietnam?

Typically two young ladies (usually one from the North and another from the South or different regions) would travel as a team to the forward fire bases via helicopters, jeeps, and tanks.  Throughout the day their goal was to offer “a one hour break and morale builder” to our troops through recreational games and activities.  No day was ever routine, as we learned resiliency very early on.  We were affectionately called the “Donut Dollies.”  Refreshments were served during these times to allow the troops to relax and think about their loved ones.

We were blessed that some of the ARC girls (American Red Cross) had other training and experiences in Korea prior to Vietnam.  My supervisor did, and this sure helped to facilitate daily matters and to make good decisions.

If something happened in the forward firebase that was either unfortunate such as a recent attack, or sad days due to loss of so many brave men, we could modify our programs and try along with others, to offer comfort, hope and gratitude.  One great experience was jumping in the dirty pool of water with troops and having tons of laughter and feisty play.  I even got to learn how to shave a young soldier’s face!

After being in the field for 10 hours daily, after getting back to our base camp, we went to visit the wounded in the hospitals and to aid the nurses and doctors.  I loved the medical team who so bravely served our troops and tried to repair their wounds and injuries, while we tried to repair their hearts and spirit.

I was one of the very few girls who requested to see the troops who had depression and other mental health problems as these men were “forgotten” or perceived as not brave at the time.  Now, we know they suffered from post traumatic stress disorder.  This experience, especially helped me to learn my passion and purpose in life.

Another great experience was going out in the field and visiting the Montagnard villages and helping with hygiene.  We were led by Colonel Martha Raye, who also stayed with us for several days while touring Vietnam.

While I was supervising others during my second tour, along with about three other senior leaders, we had the “big picture” and had to decide what young leaders should be placed in what units and why, who should be promoted (now called talent management), and tried to match their skill sets (writing, history, drama, teaching etc) with their personalities.  When you have many young leaders sharing the same mission and passion, but small physical space with some rough conditions, it behooves one to think carefully of the personnel and placement (HR functions).  It was a joy to have the opportunity to work with high level military personnel as well regarding program selections, logistics and more.

Did you ever have any “close calls” either on base or in any vehicles?

Yes, as I traveled during my second tour throughout South Vietnam, I flew in many helicopters to get to many places in one day or more.  Occasionally, the close calls were more for an equipment or maintenance failure.  I knew if something terrible happened, I was going to be with the very best in God’s hands.  I trusted the soldiers completely, as they were so professional and genuinely cared about our safety too.

Were you ever injured while in Vietnam?

No

What was it like to visit the soldiers in the hospitals?

Initially I was scared to death, probably threw up when I first experienced some horrific scenes of soldier’s injuries and battle wounds, but got over it quickly, and then, responded, “What can I do to help?”  “What can I do to make it better?”  Many times it was just holding someone’s hand and letting them know you cared.  Living with nurses during my second tour really helped a lot and I am forever grateful for what they taught me.

How was the transition returning home to the United States?

Difficult initially as everyone had such mixed feelings about the war and at what cost to lives, besides financial and geopolitical matters.  I remember playing a lot of music to heal my soul and adjust to normal life again.  I jumped right back to full employment, which certainly helped and started to focus more on the positives than to think about the negatives.

What would you like people to remember and understand most about the women who served?

We were idealistic young, college graduate leaders who wanted to change the world and do a social good.  Because of the SRAO, we were given this privilege and honor to serve our country with pride.  Many young women came from military families or had someone in their family who influenced them to take this step forward.

This experience forever changed me and made me a more tolerant, kind, and compassionate person who always wants to continue to make a difference.  I know my “sisters” from the ARC all feel this similar or same desire with passion and purpose. This is why I later became a counseling psychologist and consultant nationwide, and personally provided pro bono treatment to soldiers and their families with PTSD for over ten years while having my Center for Life Coping Skills, in Columbus, Georgia.

How do you feel Veterans think of your time having served with them? Have any Veterans expressed their feelings to you directly?

Very positive responses from vets who after I thank them for their service, once they learned what my role was, turn around, and thank me too.  Not too long ago I attended a special meeting for vets in Pittsburgh, PA at the Soldiers and Sailors Memorial, and had several vets hug me warmly and asked me to join their group on the Southside of Pittsburgh, where I was born and raised.  There’s something very special about vets and always will be! It’s nice to be included and feel part of a “bigger family.”

I only wish that when the good Lord takes me to his heavenly home, I along with all other women who served in Vietnam (even though we were civilians and have no benefits), we could be honored with the American flag on our coffins too.  Perhaps this is something that should be suggested to our political leaders today?

What are your fondest or most interesting memories of your time serving in Vietnam?

Having the opportunity to serve and help shape other young talented ladies who shown a lot of humility and purpose, and who always would go the extra mile to accomplish our mission.  Making long term friendships with ARC girls and some vets that was built on integrity, trust, and solid character.

Having Colonel Farmer, from the Army in Pleiku, track down my first cousin, Jules Bobik, a brave enlisted soldier serving in the southern portion, for me, and coordinating with others to have us visit together for a few days in Vietnam.  Awesome!  Tears and joy forever!  He is now in Heaven, but I know Jules is looking down and smiling from above.

Meeting my former husband, Charles J. Gantner, Jr, who was an Army Captain and aide during my second tour.  After 12 years of marriage, we divorced, but have fond memories of our experiences together.  I am delighted he has since remarried.

Having the opportunity to do the SRAO service twice and to continue to learn, grow from mistakes, and become the person I am today who is very contented, healthy, and enjoys a great quality of life.  I’m always ready and willing to continue serving in other new capacities as a recent retired person.

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Meet Red Cross Donut Dollie Terry Lee Harmon
Published November 10, 2017 by Jim

Meet Red Cross Donut Dollie Terry Lee Harmon

In our thirty third edition of the Donut Dollie Detail, Terry tells how her mother inspired her to go to Vietnam, how she still looks up when she hears a helicopter, and that she has fond memories of visiting China Beach and an orphanage in Danang.

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Please meet Red Cross Donut Dollie Terry Lee Harmon…

What prompted you to join the SRAO (Supplemental Recreation Activities Overseas) program and want to go to Vietnam?

There were several equally compelling reasons that I volunteered to serve with the Red Cross in Vietnam.  I suppose first was the inspiration of my mother, a Woman Air Force Service Pilot in WWII.  Vietnam was on our minds.  My friends were being drafted.  When I graduated from college I was already aware of three friends/schoolmates who had died serving in Vietnam.  My mother had found a way to serve her country during war, and I was looking for a way to serve mine.

I also certainly was inspired by John F. Kennedy’s powerful words in his January 20, 1961 Inaugural Address “…ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country.”  It was patriotism.  There were protests, and the press reporting was conflicting and incomplete.  I wanted to understand the war and the sacrifices.  I was looking for a way to be engaged.  I was looking at options of joining the military, but positions for women in Vietnam were limited.  Then I read an article about the SRAO program in my sorority magazine.  I contacted the Red Cross, applied, and was accepted.

When and where were you stationed in Vietnam?  Did you go by a nickname?

My first base was Cam Ranh Airbase (March 1970 – August 1970) and my second base was Danang (August 1970 –August 1971).  I was known as Terry in Vietnam.

What was a routine day like in Vietnam?

I don’t really remember anything being routine.  I remember being very focused on what we were there to do… bring a bit of diversion or per the title of the Arrowhead documentary on us, “A Touch of Home”.   Generally where I was assigned, we worked one day a week in our recreation center and flew out to firebases the other days.  I know we had some time off, but I don’t remember it being one day a week.  Often time off and evenings were used to work on the next program.

The day we worked in the center we played cards, pool, foosball and just chatted with the soldiers, airman, marines, and sailors who came in.  I never did pick up pinochle which was most popular, so I usually sat and watched and chatted with the guys when they were playing cards.  We also worked on our game-based programs that we took out to the field.  We also spent a good part of any time off we had working on our programs and upcoming events for the recreation centers.

I loved the days we traveled the most.  The military took care of us.  We always traveled by chopper.  To this day the whop whop whop of a Huey makes me look up and recall Vietnam.  There was nothing like the response you got from the guys when you started out a program… “Hi, I am Terry from Silver Spring, Maryland.  Anyone else out there from Silver Spring?”  We just fell in love with the American GIs.  Most were probably there due to the draft.  Conditions on the firebases were rough.  America was in turmoil at home with protests.  They always treated us well and were glad to see us.

Did you ever have any “close calls” either on base or in any vehicles?

No.  Once I was on a firebase and they were shooting at the VC.  Any incoming was not making it to the base.  No one took cover and some of the servicemen were taking photos.

During both of my assignments I was housed on bases with or near airfields.  Maybe we were too complacent, but at night we got used to sleeping through the sound of incoming rockets.  The target was the airfields and the rockets seemed to reliably land in the vicinity.

Were you ever injured while in Vietnam?

No.  While I was in Vietnam we lost two Donut Dollies.  One was lost to what we were initially told was a respiratory problem, and which I believe ended up being Guillain-Barre Syndrome.  I remember getting updates, it seemed like over the course of two weeks.  We were told she was too ill to transport home, and then we were told she had passed away.  I did not know her.

The second Donut Dollie was murdered in Cu Chi while asleep in her bunk one night.  Her throat was slit by a GI who we were told was on drugs.  One of the witnesses was transferred up to our unit in Danang.  I admired this DD very much for not asking to go home.  After this our barracks had a guard. (editor’s note: a third Donut Dollie died while serving in Vietnam of a fall from a Jeep, as well as two male Red Cross workers)

What was it like to visit the soldiers in the hospitals?

One of my most poignant memories of Vietnam was visiting a solider from Texas in the hospital who had lost both legs.  He made it easy to visit him.  He was so proud to be a Texan and to be serving his country.  He had a huge Texas flag draped on the wall behind his bed.  I often think about him and hope his country did not disappoint him when he arrived home.

Other than that one particular incident I just remember helping the men write letters home.  When I returned home, I volunteered for the Red Cross at Walter Reed Hospital.  When the wounded came off the ambulance, I rolled their gurney to a pay phone and placed their first call home for them courtesy of the Red Cross.  This was in 1971 prior to cell phones.

How was the transition returning home to the United States?

My return home was pretty routine.  I came back through Travis Air Force Base.  I remembered I was looking forward to getting a hamburger and fries at McDonald’s.  I returned to Maryland.  As with the GIs, I really didn’t talk about the experience.  I also don’t recall anyone asking much about it.  I think people could not relate to where you had been or what you had done.

What would you like people to remember and understand most about the women who served?

The GIs loved the Donut Dollies and we loved them.  We were patriotic, fun loving and were looking for a way to support our servicemen (and it was only men where we served, though at some locations we shared barracks with the nurses) regardless of the political climate.

How do you feel Veterans think of your time having served with them?  Have any Veterans expressed their feelings to you directly?

I mentioned my mother was a Women Air Force Service Pilot in WWII.  I traveled to a lot of events with her over the years and would occasionally meet a Vietnam veteran.  If I bring up that I was a Donut Dollie they always thank me.  I think there is a feeling that we were in it together.  The Vietnam GIs feel a common bond with us, and they appreciated that we volunteered to serve in Vietnam and bring that touch of home to them.

What are your fondest or most interesting memories of your time serving in Vietnam?

I remember thinking how peaceful the country seemed in the evenings, and yet I was in a war zone.

I have a fond memory of getting off the plane at Tan Son Nhut Air Base in Saigon worried about what I was going to encounter.  I looked across the tarmac and saw a group of GIs playing volleyball.  This one tall blonde head stood out, and I thought that looks like Bill, one of my high school classmates.  Sure enough it was.  Just incredible.  We still talk about it to this day at high school reunions.

I remember China Beach with fondness.  Sunning on the beach and enjoying lunch on the patio of the China Beach Club.  I had the opportunity to return to Vietnam a couple of years ago.  I could not recognize anything.  All that was left out there were the shelters that our planes used to park in at MAG16.  Of course, Marble Mountain was still there.  I was thrilled to walk up the mountain and see all the tunnels, etc. where the VC supposedly hid out.  I also visited the Cu Chi tunnels outside of Saigon on this trip and could not believe what it was like down in those tunnels.

Back to Marble Mountain, I am reminded of the time while escorted I went to a small village near Marble Mountain and a woman wanted to sell me her baby.  When I returned to Vietnam I also went to Hanoi.  The contrast to this day between what was North and South Vietnam is striking.  Though I had planned to visit Hoa Lo Prison (Hanoi Hilton) once I got there, I chose not to.

We didn’t really get much in the way of security briefings.  When I travel overseas today, I always remember how I was surrounded by a group of young children on the streets of Saigon and had my pocket picked.  They only got $20 so I was lucky.  I was on my way out of country to R&R in Australia and had wisely left most of my money back at the office.

The Texas veteran I mentioned previously is a fond memory of the spirit and of our GIs and the pride they take in their service.

I like to think about the work we did in Danang with an orphanage, and how creative the children were at making up games with anything that was available.  In most cases the Vietnamese people were very nice.  I do remember visiting a market in Danang and several older women spitting at me.  The men who worked in our recreation centers were very helpful and creative, as well with ways of improvising when tools were not available.

I always liked working with the Green Berets in Ban Me Thout.  One time they took us to a Cambodian Refugee camp.  Another time they took me and Penni (we always traveled in pairs) to visit a Montagnard home and the owner took us for a ride on his elephant.

There were disturbing stories related to us sometimes when we talked with the men who came to the recreation center.  Most disturbing were the stories of an airman who would tell me about taking up prisoners to be interrogated in a plane, holding a pistol to the prisoner’s head while they interrogated and threatening him with being pushed out of the plane, and in some cases actually pushing them out of the back of the plane.  Never having thought about or being exposed to anything like this, I still to this day don’t know what to make of it.  I could see this taking its toll on the airman, and this would probably fall under some degree of PTSD for him today.  Given the airman’s intensity in relating this to me day after day, I believe there was truth to his story.  There were also the servicemen who kept re-upping (serving multiple tours) and couldn’t seem to go home because their reality had changed so.

I suppose I should also relate some memorable experiences with the marine helicopter pilot I ended up marrying, but later divorcing.  I met him at a party at MAG 16.  He had been pulled back to fly a general after nine months of action, which eventually earned him two DFCs and a silver star.  As a pilot for the general, he had a helicopter assigned to him so he was able to fly across the street from MAG 16 to the Navy barracks where I lived.  We would go to the officers club and have dinner and dance and hang out and then he would fly back across the street.  One evening he asked me if I wanted to go for a ride.  So I got in the helicopter and we flew around the area and saw Danang from the air at night.  I think he pushed his luck when he buzzed the MAG16 airfield.  After he dropped me off, and flew back to MAG 16, they were waiting for him.  He ended up getting a reprimand and being assigned to work with the MPs the last couple months of his tour.  One night while we were talking on the phone, there was an explosion and I heard scrambling and then the phone went dead.  I did not know what had happened.  The next day he called me from the hospital and explained that a marine on drugs had thrown a grenade into the office where he had been sitting with several others.  He had shrapnel wounds, but would be ok.  They ended up medevacing him out of the country.  The marine who threw the grenade ended up in prison back in the US.

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Meet Red Cross Donut Dollie Sherry Giles Cozzalio Taylor
Published November 3, 2017 by Jim

Meet Red Cross Donut Dollie Sherry Giles Cozzalio Taylor

In our thirty second edition of the Donut Dollie Detail, Sherry tells how growing up in a military family informed her decision to go to Vietnam to support our soldiers, how she had a couple close calls, including a mortar landing in the middle of a stand down party she was attending, and how the Donut Dollies were at the forefront of the women’s movement and that she believes they made a difference for the men who served.

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What prompted you to join the SRAO (Supplemental Recreation Activities Overseas) program and want to go to Vietnam?

I grew up in a military family.  I understood the sacrifice a man makes when he chooses to serve and safeguard his country.  Many of the boys I went to high school with were drafted and went to fight a war we didn’t understand and were too young to know what we supported.  In 1968, I was a senior attending Oklahoma State University.   Three months before graduation, I had a teaching job lined up and was planning a move to Evergreen, Colorado the following August. During the late 60’s there were few opportunities for women to serve their country, so when, I read an article about college graduates working for the Red Cross in Vietnam, I knew I had found a rare opportunity to serve my country. During a time of anti-war protests, I was going to show our young soldiers I cared about them and supported them.

I applied to the American Red Cross for a position with Supplemental Recreational Activities Overseas.  I received a letter back with an airline ticket to St. Louis, MO., to interview for the position.  During the interview I was told only people who volunteer for Vietnam were sent there.  I volunteered. A few weeks before graduation I received word I had been hired and was scheduled to attend the June class in Charlottesville, VA.   In training, I learned to hem my blue dress no shorter than knee length and to style my hair so it didn’t touch my collar.  We studied the history of the Red Cross, military rank and protocol, and learned how to develop a program.  Six weeks after my college graduation, I stepped off a plane at Tan Son Nhut Air Base to a blast of heat and unusual smells.  I never made it to Colorado and have never regretted it.

When and where were you stationed in Vietnam?  Did you go by a nickname?

I was first stationed at Long Binh (II Field Force) from June – October, 1968, then TDY (temporary duty) at Phan Rang Air Base in October, 1968, followed by Bien Hoa from November, 1968 – January, 1969 and finally Dong Tam from January – June, 1969. I was known as Sherry in Vietnam.

What was a routine day like in Vietnam?

Each unit was different. Long Binh had 12 girls while Bien Hoa had five.  We would go out in pairs. We were usually scheduled with a different Donut Dollie each day.   A new girl was always scheduled with a seasoned girl, who taught her what to do and introduced her to the guys in the units.

The Long Binh (II Field Force) Unit had a Recreation Center.  We usually had one day each week scheduled in the Recreation Center.  We also used this time to develop our programs and perform our assigned unit duties (mine was secretary – I typed the notes taken during our weekly staff meetings).  In pairs, we also traveled by jeep to many Long Binh units such as, logistics support, motor pools, signal units, etc.  We went by jeep to Saigon to visit combat troops positioned in Cho Lon and at the Y-bridge; traveled by jeep to an Australian unit at Nui Dat; flew by helicopter to a signal unit on Hill 831, Nui Ba Din and flew to Ka Tum.  We also supported Bien Hoa Air Base.  When we were on the road visiting combat troops, we were up early to program at several different units.  We ate C-rations for lunch that the troops shared with us, while sitting on sandbags or under whatever shade we could find.  We arrived home in time for a meal in the II Field Force Officer’s mess.  Our home had a 12’ fence surrounding our long two-story barracks.  We showered in an open bay with six showerheads – no hot water.  Our rooms were small, with a cot and screened opening for air circulation.

The Phan Rang Air Base unit was a treat. The Air Force had given this unit of Donut Dollies their own pink jeep and provided them with a well furnished air-conditioned “home” with hot water.  Each bedroom had a nice twin size bed and mattress.  I worked in the Recreation Center the two weeks I was there.

The Bien Hoa Army Unit opened in October. We lived in a Quonset hut next to the fire station.  It was hot so we rarely closed the openings that served as windows in our rooms.  Our rooms were long and narrow, with the usual cot.  I asked a friend from the Air Force side of Bien Hoa, if he could get a pillow since my cot only came with sheets.  My room was next to the firehouse and every morning I would wake to a loud speaker with AFN Radio blaring out, “Goooooood morning, Vietnam.”

The Bien Hoa Unit also took over support of Bien Hoa Air Base.  We didn’t have a Recreation Center.  We had a workroom in our hooch, where we developed our programs and performed our assigned administrative tasks (mine was keeping the supply room stocked).  A typical day could include: programing to various units of airmen stationed at the air base.  We also worked on the open bed of a truck serving Kool-Aid and chatting with airmen working in hangars near the runway.  Other days we programed to groups of guys at support and logistics units on the Bien Hoa Army side of Bien Hoa.  We might be scheduled to fly by helicopter out to units that belonged to the 101 Airborne Division.   We would be dropped off for a couple of hours to program and talk to guys and then picked up and flown to the next unit.  We would visit 3 units and we always made it home by nightfall.  The reason Donut Dollies traveled in pairs was a safeguard if they ever got stuck overnight in a remote unit.  It never happened during my year there.

The Dong Tam Unit supported the 9th Infantry Division.   There was no SRAO Recreation Center there.  Our primary role was to fly by helicopter to forward base camps where combat units lived.  Our days began at dawn.  We would be picked up by a driver and driven to the airfield.  Our schedule would include two or three stops, where we would spend 2+ hours before being pickup and flown to the next unit.  Once we were dropped off at a base camp we would stop in at the operations center to get our schedule.  A soldier would be assigned to take us to a group of guys waiting for the Donut Dollies.  We would play games or just talk to a group of tired guys who had spent the night patrolling the boonies.

On days I was scheduled with Emily, she usually brought her guitar along.  The guys loved to sing along with us.  We often spent time talking and kidding with a platoon preparing to go out.  We ate C-Rations for lunch and drank hot Cokes.  We often returned to Dong Tam after mess hall hours, so we “dined” on LRP Rations, which were an epicurean delight after our C-Ration lunch. Tara, one of the Donut Dollies in our unit had connections with a long-range reconnaissance patrol captain, who provided us with all the LRP Rations we could eat.  On Sundays, we always dressed up and had dinner with the Division generals and senior officers.

When we were scheduled a day in our Unit, we worked on our programs.  We might also be scheduled to visit the 9th Infantry Battalion Medical Hospital wards.  Or, we programed to guys working in support units in Dong Tam.  We usually served Kool-Aid to guys working in the headquarters area.

We also visited Mobile Riverine Force troops and Navy sailors living on ships anchored in the Mekong River, just off Dong Tam.  We visited and programed on small watercraft with a small number of men as well.  When we didn’t go by helicopter to the ships, we had to be carried from the bank of the river to a small boat, in the arms of one of the men.  There were lots of volunteers for that job.  Visiting the ships was always a treat because we would eat in the air-conditioned officers dining room, with white tablecloths, “real” dishes and silverware and no flies.

Did you ever have any “close calls” either on base or in any vehicles?

In Dong Tam, “incoming” mortar attacks occurred more often than not.  We spent a lot of time in our bunker.  One evening a round exploded just outside our 12’ wooden fence that threw shrapnel all over our metal roof.   Probably the closest call I had was while attending a stand down party.  Periodically units would come in from the field and we usually had invitations to attend stand down parties.  Steaks and beer were served and we would each sit with a group, talk about home and share funny stories.  After we had eaten, I was standing with a group of guys when a mortar round landed in the middle of the party.  Shrapnel hit almost everyone except the three donut dollies attending the party.  The circle of men around me protected me.  I know at least one man died.

Were you ever injured while in Vietnam?

I wasn’t injured, however, I did spend two weeks in the Long Binh Hospital with dysentery.  I had been in country a couple of months and was visiting with a group of soldiers under the Y-bridge in Saigon.  A Vietnamese lady offered me a Coke, which I happily accepted.  I was hot, tired and very thirsty.  After a few sips, one of the guys I was talking to grabbed the Coke from my hand and threw that wonderful cold drink away.  He said, “Never accept any drink with ice in it. The ice is made with river water.  About a week later, I woke up with a very high fever and was sent by the medic who ran our little clinic, located at II Field Forces headquarters, to the hospital at Long Binh.  I was packed in ice for a couple of days.  The worst part of the experience was being in a huge ward with a lot of guys on bunk beds in long rows.  Since they didn’t have facilities for women, one of the medics set up a little “potty room” for me, made out of sheets hung over a frame.  It was at the far end of the ward tucked among a row of occupied bunk beds.  I think you get the picture of me walking down a long passage way in my hospital gown pulling my IV pole.  I’m sure you can all imagine me trying not to make the noises that come along with dysentery – not to mention the smell.  Then I had to walk all the way back to my bed with many eyes following as I passed by.

What was it like to visit the soldiers in the hospitals?

We were never scheduled to visit severely injured solders.  We did visit wounded soldiers, many who we knew and recognized from our visits to the forward base camps.  Although their injuries were serious, we knew they were going to survive and in many cases were going to be sent home.  We were happy for them.

How was the transition returning home to the United States?

I thought I would return home to take a teaching position.  However, shortly before my year with the Red Cross was about to end, I was struggling with the intense feelings I had experienced during my year.  How was I was going to put them away in the time it took the Freedom Bird to fly from Saigon to Travis Air Force Base?  How could I leave “my guys” behind? I talked to the Red Cross and asked about continuing to serve in some capacity.  I was offered a job at St. Albans Naval Hospital, in Queens, New York, in Hospital Recreation.  I helped operate the hospital recreation center, coordinate volunteers and spend time on the wards with the wounded soldiers returning home from Vietnam.  I had found my transition home. I missed the excitement and unpredictable days with groups of lively guys.  But, as time passed I began to “come home again.”

When I left Vietnam, I took a delay in route home through Hong Kong, where I met Marge Fisher, a Donut Dollie who was on R&R from Dong Tam.  Then I headed to Travis AFB. I took a bus to San Francisco where I connected with a flight to Little Rock, AK, via Love Field in Dallas.  My flight into Dallas was the last flight of the day.  For a year, people had surrounded me and now I found myself completely alone in a big room, waiting for my flight the next morning.  I hated feeling so disconnected. I was glad I had a job to look forward to and hoped it would give me the sense of purpose I was leaving behind.  I spent three weeks visiting my parents, and then drove to New York City and my new job.  The first few years home, I couldn’t see a war movie without a strong physical reaction.  I couldn’t separate the story on screen from the reality of war.

I never spoke of my time in Vietnam.  I knew serving there was not an acceptable choice and most people didn’t want to hear the word Vietnam.  I finally began to speak of my experiences there when I went to the Wall in Washington D.C. for Veteran’s Day, 1994.  I met Emily Strange, who also served in Dong Tam.  As Emily and I walked along the Wall, I began to cry.  It was several years before I could visit the Wall and walk along it without crying.  I was personally connected to the names on that wall in a profound way.  I knew way too many of the people on the 1968 – 1969 panels.

What would you like people to remember and understand most about the women who served?

We were pretty radical.  We went to war – a very unpopular war – to support our country and the guys who answered the call to serve.  We were young, independent women who were at the forefront of the women’s movement.   We made a difference.

 

 

How do you feel Veterans think of your time having served with them?  Have any Veterans expressed their feelings to you directly?

The first year I went to the Wall, I met a vet who put his arms around me and gave me a big hug. He said, “I just want to thank you girls for your service.  You have no idea how much you meant to us.  When I was wounded, I know the nurses saved my life, but you girls saved my soul.”  That was the first time I realized my time in Vietnam made a difference.

I go as often as I can to the 5th/60th Battalion, 9th Infantry Division Reunions.  Those guys make me feel pretty special.  I never get tired of hearing, “You girls meant so much to us.”  I always reunited with Emily and Marge at the reunions, but this past year Emily passed away and Marge couldn’t make it.  When I said I was going anyway, my husband expressed concern because I would be alone.  I smiled and said, “I will never be alone among these guys, they are my brothers and they always take care of me.  I remember some of these men from when Marge, Emily and I were in Vietnam playing games with them, and bringing a little touch of home to their days.

This past June, a young vet who had served several tours in Iraq and Afghanistan, was attending the reunion with his Dad.  He told me he wanted to give me a big hug for my service in Vietnam.  He told me, “You have no idea how much you mean to my Dad.” The vets see us as vets too.  They often express how upset they are that we are forgotten. Agent orange affected the health of several Donut Dollies and their children too.  I understand their frustration, but I also realize I volunteered for them because they did what was right when they were called to war.  I think it is shameful the American Red Cross doesn’t celebrate the amazing women who served in wars along side our soldiers.

What are your fondest or most interesting memories of your time serving in Vietnam?

Boys and their toys – they loved taking us on rides on top of their APCs, or teaching us to drive them (I went on patrol sitting on top of an APC one afternoon while visiting a forward base camp.).  They wanted to show us how to shoot their M-16s. A C-130 co-pilot invited me up to the cockpit because the pilot wanted to visit with me and show me how to fly (I thought the poor guys in that plane must have been a little nervous with me flying.).  I rode on all kinds of boats, the airboat being most memorable.  A Cobra pilot took me for a ride one night from Dong Tam to Tan An Airfield, and back to show how smoothly he could land in the dark (The guys in the tower were surprised to hear my voice calling final as we approached the airfield.).

I will never forget the drive through Saigon, from II Field Force to Cho Lon.  The once beautiful city was bustling with huge OD green trucks stirring up dust.  Small motorcycles built for two had whole families sitting on the backs, weaving in and out of all the traffic.  Small horses pulled carts of goods and produce through all the chaos.  The drive through the market area was filled with exotic foods, silks, spices, fruits, and fish so strong I had to put a cloth to my nose to breathe.  Women would squat by the curbside to pee.  How beautiful and graceful the women were wearing their black and white ao dais, the traditional Vietnamese dress.  Then we would enter into the Chinese section, Cho Lon, to see our guys living among gray concrete ruins of buildings destroyed during the Tet Offensive.  On one visit, the guys had found a birdcage in the ruins and placed an empty can of Falstaff beer on the perch inside the cage.  They loved showing us their pet bird Falstaff.

One of my saddest memories was of a flight from Dong Tam to Tiger’s Lair, a forward base camp, where most of the guys had been engaged in large battle all night.  We sat on the edge of the airstrip, waiting for body bags with soldier’s boots sticking out, to be unloaded before we could get on.  That day we shared a ride back to Dong Tam with the bodies of soldiers who were killed during the time we were visiting.  Those were the days we didn’t program; we would just be there to talk about home.  We started the day by serving a hot breakfast to tired soldiers being brought in after a night of fighting.  They always had a smile for us when they lifted their heads to see who belonged to the unexpected soft voice asking if they wanted eggs and bacon?  The strangest experience we had was sharing a ride home from Tiger’s Lair, with a Viet Cong POW sitting on the helicopter floor at our feet.

On several occasions, we would be serving Kool-Aid in the 9th Infantry Division headquarters area when an enlisted guy would come running out of the headquarters building as we were leaving.  He would tell us the Chief of Staff was in one of his very bad moods and we always cheered him up when we stopped by with a cup of Kool-Aid.  We never served the officers, but we always went to the Chief of Staff’s office when we got this request.  He would always have a smile on his face when we left and the day would go smoother for everyone in his office.

One afternoon we were visiting with a platoon getting ready to go on patrol for the night.  As they lined up to go the guy on point asked if we wanted to walk out to the camp perimeter with them.  Of course we did. I took his rifle and walked point while we all sang the Disney song, “Hi Ho, Hi Ho, it’s off to work we go…”  When we got to the perimeter we waved goodbye to a bunch of smiles.

I was on R&R in Sydney, Australia.  While I was looking at a Harbor Cruise Poster in a travel agency store front window, one of the employees came out and asked if I would be interested in going on an evening cruise that night as their guest.  They had signed up more GIs on R&R for the cruise than they had girls to keep them company.  That seemed like fun and I was certainly comfortable talking to American soldiers.  I was leaning on the rail of the boat when a guy approached me and asked where I got the timing chain I was wearing as a bracelet.  He was a helicopter crew chief and was surprised to see the chain on a girl’s wrist.  As we talked, he told me he had extended his tour of duty because he had no reason to return to the U.S.  His wife and baby had been killed in a car accident during his first year in Vietnam and he was devastated.  As we talked and shared stories our conversation became lighthearted, sharing laughs and enjoying each other’s company.  When the cruise ended he told me for the first time since his wife and child had died, he was looking forward to going home.  He had forgotten how much fun it was to spend time with an American girl.  We parted there at the dock and I like to think he found happiness soon after he returned to the World.

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Meet Red Cross Donut Dollie Sara Porter Smith
Published October 28, 2017 by Jim

Meet Red Cross Donut Dollie Sara Porter Smith

In our thirty first edition of the Donut Dollie Detail, Sara tells how the tumultuous 60’s prompted her to join the Donut Dollie program in the hope of making a difference, that she would get up at 5AM to chopper out to firebases to program to the soldiers, and that she has fond memories of the soldiers, her Donut Dollie sisters, and the children she visited at the orphanage in Danang.

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What prompted you to join the SRAO (Supplemental Recreation Activities Overseas) program and want to go to Vietnam?

I graduated from college in 1970, having experienced the tumultuous 60’s, and thought I could make a difference.  I was extremely idealistic and felt I could solve world problems.

When and where were you stationed in Vietnam? Did you go by a nickname?

I was stationed at Tuy Hoa from August – November 1970, at Danang from December 1970 – April 1971 and at Phan Rang from May – December 1971. I was in Vietnam 15 months, which was just a little longer than the typical year most Donut Dollies were in Vietnam.

What was a routine day like in Vietnam?

I was fortunate to be stationed at both Clubmobile and Red Cross Recreation Center units, so the days varied.  On Mobile Unit days, we got up around 4:30 a.m. or 5:00 a.m. in order to catch a chopper out to the forward area and firebases.  On Center days, we got up a little later, but arrived at the Center early enough to open the facility and make coffee and lemonade for the troops.

When in the field, we usually visited 4 – 6 forward areas or firebases in a day, staying an hour or so at each stop.  We presented a variety of  theme-centered recreational games and quizzes with the purpose of providing a short diversion from the war.

When at the Center, we created a monthly calendar of activities.  These activities ranged from card games and tournaments, chess and other board games, pool tournaments, theatre productions, small libraries of books and a comfortable environment to kick-back and relax.

Did you ever have any “close calls” either on base or in any vehicles?

Twice: one time on a firebase when there was incoming fire and another time when the chopper I was in lost altitude too quickly.  Fortunately the pilot recovered before a crash occurred.

Were you ever injured while in Vietnam?

No.

What was it like to visit the soldiers in the hospitals?

A mixture of emotions because we needed to be upbeat and positive and at the same time, be compassionate and sensitive to what each soldier was experiencing.

How was the transition returning home to the United States?

Very difficult.  My friends and family had no true understanding of what went on in Vietnam and seemed more concerned about living day-to-day life.  They did not ask in-depth questions, and I could not share anything other than general information.

What would you like people to remember and understand most about the women who served?

We truly cared.  We were there to make a difference and to help the soldiers.

How do you feel Veterans think of your time having served with them?  Have any Veterans expressed their feelings to you directly?

Most of them I know, do not know I was there and if I have told them, the initial impression would be that I was a nurse.  The other reaction was, “I never saw one of you there.”

The first time I was acknowledged or thanked was at the dedication of the Vietnam Women’s Memorial in Washington, DC.  I honestly was in shock and did not know what to say.

What are your fondest or most interesting memories of your time serving in Vietnam?

The most important thing is the soldiers… many who made it home and many who did not.  I remember many of their stories.

Some really, really good things were the trips to orphanage in Danang.  I loved it there and was able to help the children.  It was situated on the South China Sea… a contrast, so to speak: the most beautiful setting and the deepest of tragedies.  I will always remember those little faces.

I remember many of the women in the Red Cross. I have not seen anyone since the dedication of the Vietnam Women’s Memorial in D.C. in 1993, but I think about these women more often than they will ever know.  It was unique time in all of our lives.

I was in the class that landed in country on Aug 4, 1970… same class as Ginny Kirsch. She was a sorority sister… she and I were very close.  She graduated from Miami University in Oxford, OH; I grew up 25 minutes from there in Indiana and then attended and graduated from Indiana University.  Both of us were Alpha Chi Omega’s in college… it created a bond.
(editor’s note: Please learn more about Ginny Kirsch, a Red Cross Donut Dollie who lost her life in Vietnam here)

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Meet Red Cross Donut Dollie Roseann Krikston Johnson
Published October 13, 2017 by Jim

Meet Red Cross Donut Dollie Roseann Krikston Johnson

In our thirtieth edition of the Donut Dollie Detail, Roseann tells how a college course on the Vietnam “conflict” made her want to go to Vietnam to see what was happening for herself, that she experienced a night of incoming in Danang, and how seeing the smiling faces of young men on firebases made her job worthwhile.

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Please meet Red Cross Donut Dollie Roseann Krikston Johnson…

What prompted you to join the SRAO (Supplemental Recreation Activities Overseas) program and want to go to Vietnam?

In my senior year of college a course was offered as “Independent Study”, the subject was our choice and I chose 1969, Vietnam “conflict”.  I did mine on the history of Vietnam.  I was stunned, moved and had a desire to see for myself.  My oldest brother knew of a friend that had joined the Red Cross and volunteered.  I did my homework and realized this is exactly what I wanted to do.  Maybe gain some understanding and also maybe do something positive. I had just finished my student teaching (an eye opener) and decided an alternate course for at least a year.

When and where were you stationed in Vietnam?  Did you go by a nickname?

I was stationed in Danang from July to October, 1969 and then at Bien Hoa from October 1969 to July 1970.  I was known as Roseann in Vietnam.

What was a routine day like in Vietnam?

A tough one, I’m not sure there ever was a “routine” day.  Whether you were out in the field doing mobile programs or in the recreation center, there was never a day where the unexpected did not occur.  Even in the recreation center, we had one young soldier who kept coming in day after day, and when I asked him, weren’t you scheduled for a freedom flight home, his answer was heart breaking.  He was an only child of a single parent.  He had become addicted to drugs while in Vietnam and couldn’t bear his mother seeing him like this.  No day was routine.

Did you ever have any “close calls” either on base or in any vehicles?

I had a close call in Danang.  Incoming, rocket fire during one night.  Window glass shattered, diving under beds, and then hearing “to the bunker”.  Being careful of broken glass.  Scared and worried about our dog.  MP’s brought her to us in the bunker.

Were you ever injured while in Vietnam?

No.

What was it like to visit the soldiers in the hospitals?

Visiting hospitals was very difficult, especially one incident while in Danang.  We were in an outlying area (overnight) and got word that we were asked to visit a firebase the next day that wasn’t on the schedule.  When we got there via chopper, we were instructed not to do any programs but to visit with the troops.  We soon learned why it was to be a short visit.  One young solider gave me a pair of binoculars and I got a glimpse of the North Vietnamese flag.  We were very close to the DMZ.  The next day we visited the hospital and many of the young men we saw and talked to the day before at the firebase had been hit later that same day and were now lying in the hospital.

How was the transition returning home to the United States?

Transition… another toughie.  I found it really hard to talk to others about what we did, how we did it, and what we saw and experienced.  It sounded so superficial, mobile recreation programs, running rec centers.  But no one saw the men’s faces when we got there or understand how crappy that “conflict” was, or how important it was for them to escape, if only for a short time from the grim reality of where they were and what they experienced and what was going on in the states.  I so loved getting together with other Donut Dollies at the 2010 reunion.

What would you like people to remember and understand most about the women who served?

None of us volunteered for selfish reasons.  We thought maybe we could make some sort of difference to defuse some of the negativity that was occurring in the states.   These young men (average age 19) didn’t ask for this assignment and needed something positive, and if that meant from the Red Cross Donut Dollies, so be it.

How do you feel Veterans think of your time having served with them? Have any Veterans expressed their feelings to you directly?

Many of the vets I have met never were in areas where we were present.  However, by chance I have met a few who’s reaction was very positive.  Our rec centers provided a little home away from home and they always loved talking to American females.

What are your fondest or most interesting memories of your time serving in Vietnam?

First would be the faces of the young men participating in our mobile recreation programs.  Once they knew we were there, the sense of escape from reality and total enjoyment was so evident, plus the competition!  Seeing young men with poster board horses attached to strings trying to race them was a joy.  Really don’t know who had more fun, them or us.

Second was visiting the visiting the orphanage in Bien Hoa on our off days and bringing them any supplies we could.  So bittersweet.  Beautiful children, unfortunately discarded because many had American fathers.  Biracial children were outcasts.

Third, just being there when a young man needed someone to talk to, even for a short time.  Some were close to rotating home and wanted to make sure they could talk to a young American female without cussing!

Lastly, actually developing a few relationships with the Vietnamese women.  One especially was our mamasan in Bien Hoa.  When I worked the rec center sometimes she would bring me lunch and the next time I would bring lunch to her.  She wrote me a letter when she knew I was going home.  I still have it.

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Meet Red Cross Donut Dollie Linda Sullivan Schulte
Published September 22, 2017 by Jim

Meet Red Cross Donut Dollie Linda Sullivan Schulte

In our twenty ninth edition of the Donut Dollie Detail, Linda tells how hearing a presentation at her college by General Lewis Walt prompted her to join the Donut Dollies program, how she and a fellow Donut Dollie had been dropped off to program at a location where there were no soldiers and needed to be extracted quickly, and that she came home from Vietnam with a trunk load of memories, but didn’t open it for years.

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Please meet Red Cross Donut Dollie Linda Sullivan Schulte…

What prompted you to join the SRAO (Supplemental Recreation Activities Overseas) program and want to go to Vietnam?

Throughout my college life I marched in anti war protests.  In my senior year (1967-68) at Western Maryland College (now McDaniel), General Lewis Walt had just returned from Vietnam and came to speak to our students.  He impressed me greatly with his articulate presentation, his concern and his integrity.  I decided I needed to go to Vietnam to learn more… we had a number of classmates serving there.. I wanted to see what Vietnam was really about.  I wrote to a variety of nonprofits looking for an organization to send me there.  The Red Cross interviewed me.. the job was for one year and they wanted women ages 21 to 25 with liberal arts degrees.

When and where were you stationed in Vietnam?  Did you go by a nickname?

I arrived in Vietnam in July of 1968… a month after graduation.  I was stationed in Lai Khe with the 1st Division… the Big Red One.  In October I was transferred to Dong Ba Thin to close that unit and move it to a new Air Force Base at Tuy Hoa.  Then in February or March, not sure exactly, I was sent up north to Phu Bai.  No nicknames in Vietnam, just Linda.

What was a routine day like in Vietnam?

There were seldom any routine days, but I was mostly involved in clubmobile units traveling generally by helicopter out to different field units.  We Donut Dollies averaged around 1,500 miles a week in our travels.  I’m not sure of the origin of that figure, but it was in my journal.  We would mainly program to troops, handout supplies and mail, etc.

Donut Dollie Suzie and I got dropped off once at the Loch Ninh air strip through a mix up.  There were no U.S. soldiers there… it was just us holding our program bag.  Fortunately, General Talbott, Commanding General of the Big Red One, swooped down in his chopper and removed us quickly.

Did you ever have any “close calls” either on base or in any vehicles?

We all had incidents like getting gassed, watching occasional rockets come into the base and sniper fire, but nothing serious, as the troops took care to protect us.

Were you ever injured while in Vietnam?

Not injured.

What was it like to visit the soldiers in the hospitals?

We visited those who were truly injured in hospitals.  It was always difficult, as many of those visited were just a few years younger than us.

How was the transition returning home to the United States?

The transition home was easy.  I got home with a trunk loaded with Vietnam memories and vowed to not open it for a while.  I went to the Baltimore Red Cross to thank them for allowing me to be a part of SRAO and was offered a job.  I started it a week or so later.  I didn’t open that trunk for years, which allowed me to spoon out those memories in select doses… and manage the emotions that way.  I joined Ron Kovic in DC protesting the poor care Vietnam vets were receiving from the VA.

What would you like people to remember and understand most about the women who served?

I’d hope that people remember all of the women who served in Vietnam, but also remember that it took decades for those Vietnam vets to get welcomed home.. and some have never been.

What are your fondest or most interesting memories of your time serving in Vietnam?

My best memories are all about the people there, as well as the Donut Dollies that I am still fortunate to call friends.

 

 

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Meet Red Cross Donut Dollie Teri Fisk Hermans
Published September 15, 2017 by Jim

Meet Red Cross Donut Dollie Teri Fisk Hermans

In our twenty eighth edition of the Donut Dollie Detail, Teri tells how she joined the Donut Dollie program and convinced two friends to join as well, how she visited the wounded soldiers on the USS Sanctuary Hospital ship in the South China sea, and that even after a long and exhausting day, see was happy to know that she gave a morale boost to the men.

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Please meet Red Cross Donut Dollie Teri Fisk Hermans…

What prompted you to join the SRAO (Supplemental Recreation Activities Overseas) program and want to go to Vietnam?

I wanted to travel and do something exciting when I left college.  Also, I was an Army brat.  I was aware of some Red Cross programs, so I sent a letter to the Red Cross asking about job opportunities, and received information about the SRAO (Donut Dollie) program.  I told 2 of my friends from the University of Nebraska and they both joined the SRAO program, with one going to Korea and the other to Vietnam.

 

When and where were you stationed in Vietnam?  Did you go by a nickname?

I attended the training class in Washington, DC at the end of July, 1969, and I was first stationed at Camp Eagle with the 101st Airborne Division from August – November, ’69; then Cam Ranh AFB from November ’69 – May ’70; and then at Cu Chi with the 25th Infantry Division from May – July ’70.  I was known as Teri in Vietnam.

What was a routine day like in Vietnam?

At Camp Eagle and Cu Chi, which were both division base camps, we had clubmobile units that visited firebases.  Two women at a time rotated to do program development one week, and then 2 or 3 weeks in the field.  The week we developed a program, we stayed at the base camp, came up with original ideas, developed all the props for audience participation type games that would last one hour and could be carried in one large bag. The weeks we were in the field we were up at 6:30 or 7, had breakfast at the mess hall, 2 of us would meet our designated chopper with our bag of programs, fly out to firebases and do a one hour program, getting as many men involved in the activities as we could.  The men loved the deviation from their regular duties and/or boredom, if only for an hour.

A chopper (usually a Huey) was assigned to shuttle us from firebase to firebase, usually 4-5 firebases per day, then back to our base camp.  At the end of the day we were tired, hot, sweaty, dirty, and very gratified to know that we had boosted the morale of the guys in the field.  At Cam Ranh AFB we did not spend much time in the field, as we ran two recreation centers, much like USO Clubs, where there was coffee, pool tables and card games.  We planned all kinds of activities during the day that were well attended by the guys; some of them were pie eating contests (see photo), different tournaments, taking the guys to an orphanage, doing fashion shows, etc.

Did you ever have any “close calls” either on base or in any vehicles?

I experienced incoming several different times at Camp Eagle, usually at night, which kept our unit in the bunker.  Once at a firebase, we spent a long time in the TOC (Tactical Operations Center) due to incoming, and somehow we did not seem phased.  We always felt well protected… youth has its advantages!

Were you ever injured while in Vietnam?

Yes… this is ridiculous… I twisted my knee while dancing and had to wear a cast. Also, in our hooch at Cu Chi, while repairing a board for one of our programs that had a nail on it, it fell and hit my head, for which I had a few stitches.

What was it like to visit the soldiers in the hospitals?

Depressing in Vietnam, as they were always injured quite badly, but the guys always appreciated our visits.  I also had the opportunity to program on the USS Sanctuary Hospital Ship in the South China Sea…. those guys really appreciated our visit.  From 1970-71, I was with the Red Cross at the Long Beach and San Diego Naval Hospitals – most of the men in these facilities were not badly wounded, so we planned outings to baseball games, trips to the zoo, etc.

How was the transition returning home to the United States?

It was difficult… no one to talk to about my experiences and I couldn’t find a job. I visited my friend for a while in Arizona, then rejoined the Red Cross.

What would you like people to remember and understand most about the women who served?

That it was a memorable, positive experience for most of us.  The work we did was appreciated and morale boosting…not to mention exciting.  We were young, loved what we were doing, didn’t think much about the dangers of war, and we felt we were helping in a way that we could.

How do you feel Veterans think of your time having served with them? Have any Veterans expressed their feelings to you directly?

Most veterans appreciated what we did… and yes, many friends/vets have thanked me.  A couple years ago I was in Santa Fe… my Colorado license plate holder says Donut Dollie in pretty small letters.  It was about 6AM, and this car is coming up behind me and the guy started honking and honking, then he pulled up beside me and said he was a vet, and asked if I was a Donut Dollie?  I said yes, and he thanked me.

What are your fondest or most interesting memories of your time serving in Vietnam?

The camaraderie of the women.  Many of these women (and their husbands who were vets) are still good friends.  We lived together, worked together and had experiences that most women never had.

The welcoming, wonderful guys.  We were so appreciated and felt we were doing something positive to help them.

I met my husband (to be) in Cu Chi and after 46 years, 2 kids and 4 grandchildren, it is still a great marriage.

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